I know… it’s so easy for guru’s… just not me…
@Tex1954 I can chip in on the shell difficulties here.
You appear to be logged in as Admin. And my be using he Web-UI which uses a chroot environment. What you may be more familiar with is working as the root ( read all powerfull/dangerouns) user. When you did the Rockstor 4 install it requested the root user password be set at that point. See the following doc section:
https://rockstor.com/docs/installer-howto/installer-howto.html#enter-desired-root-user-password
So if you do something equivalent to say:
ssh root@machine-name-here
you will get a full and non chroot bash shell. Plus Bash (Bourne again sh) is the norm on linux so you should be at home from there on.
As out embeded terminal faces a few more security concerns we run it as a chroot by default I think.
The “admin” bit in your above
admin@rocknas
indicates the user you are logged in as. If you wish to substitute this user for say root you can do
su
Which might be read as super-user, but I believe it stands for substitute user and if non is specified then it defaults to the root user.
One has to be a root user to run zypper. We are a pretty standard openSUSE Leap under-the-hood so anything you read for that will be the case for if you are ssh ing in from say another linux box.
Hope that helps.
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Well, learn something new every day! Thanks!
MY Rocknas is still 3.9.57 centOS version… but, when y’all say go, I will upgrade it. Meanwhile, as time and interest permit, I’ll work on a Leap 15.3 setup…
Also, as it turns out, I may go back to work for a while sometime next month… we will see. I need some more pocket change for toys…
cd..
isn’t a valid comand.
cd ..
is. You need a space between the “cd” and the directory. This isn’t a bash thing, it’s a UNIX-like OS thing.
@Tex1954 the upgrade would be a good idea, if you’re going to play with Leap 15.3 at some point anyway. For the time being though, you can also install the mc on the “old” version.
Once you have been able to log in as root (like mentioned above by @phillxnet), then you should be able to install midnight commander via:
yum install mc
For usage, here is a tutorial (probably quite a few more and better ones, but this should help to get started:
http://www.trembath.co.za/mctutorial.html
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Wow! So much help… and yes I know about spacing the command and such like CD …, it was a typo that I knew would not work anyway just to show y’all.
I might give that a try tonight if I finish other stuff I’m working on…
THANKS to all! A+++ help!
@vesper1978 Hope you don’t mind. I just did a quick forum edit of you post to stop some auto formatting turning the 2 dots into 3.
Nothing else changed, just didn’t want your contribution to go to waste with the overly zealous form text fromatting. I surrounded your commands, each, in the ``` i.e. line before and line after. It’s a kind of code comment thing that leaves things mostly alone.
Hope that helps.
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Don’t mind at all ever! Thanks! Off to home depot for more house fixings today…
Then, I have to choose which setup I want to load Leap 15 on…
10G network was up and just as I was about to speed test it, one of the Intel 10G cards died… ordered replacement…
I hate Murphy! LOL!
Yep, that Murphy is a law unto himself 
Hope replacement turns up quickly, look forward to seeing what results you get 
Well, learned a few things about 10Gb network. Got two cards that test the same to replace the bad one.
Best transfer rates around 850MB/sec on 4.5GHz i5-3570k 1600 mem setup. However, sometimes packets lost and xfer halts for timeout then begins again. Jumbo packets do nothing to help because nothing else seems to really support them. Hours of tweaking with no peak speed difference. Best moderated transfer rate around 750MB/sec. (from NAS to external setup)
Tried same card on E3-1240V2 setup and got worse results. Max good transfer speeds around 550 MB/sec.
Next is try on I7-5930K setup then eventually on Ryzen 9 5950X setup…
Also, all tests FROM Rockstor setup TO external 1TB Raid-0 SSD setup. Going from different setups to the Rockstor NAS are slowed by the write speed of the target it seems… not sure what is happening with Rockstor cache at this point, get a lot of speed variance writing to NAS.
And the A/C broke in my home and is fixed a couple days later for $619. Sheesh.
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I7-5930K running 4GHz is best so far; and some things making sense now.
I can in fact transfer to the NAS at full 1.09 GB/sec speed from a RamDisk. However, when the transfer continues past about 24 gig, things start slowing down… But, all in all, seems the major area’s of slowdown are SSD and disk R/W speeds. This is not unexpected, just not to the extent I thought.
So, from SSD RAID-0 to RamDisk 11GB is about as expected:
From RamDisk to NAS (ssd raid-0) 11GB is okay so far:
Then we try a large 241GB directory from Raid-0 to NAS and what you see is the Fast startup slowly dropping in speed to sometimes 0!! Well, turns out the two SSD’s are mix and match ones I had laying around… one has a write speed near 400MB/sec and the other can only do about 190MB/sec sustained.
Bumping along from about 230 MB/sec to zero and back the whole way…
Bumping along large transfer on 4TB Raid-1 setup…143MB/sec to 0 and back…
ASSUMING new 1TB SSDs run faster and balanced, looks like my NAS is on its way to being finalized.
Funny how the NAS just gets bogged down when cache is full… actually stops while it cleans up shop then continues on.
Open IMAGES in new TAB to get full size… hope I am not boring anyone…
NEXT: Since network and NAS working, install openSUSE Leap 15.3 on 4.5GHz setup…
Unanswered questions about how main memory cache works in Rockstor have to be researched as well:
- Is it Write to disk cache only? Seems so.
- Any options to facilitate Read cache as well?
- Can user set limits on main memory cache usage?
So much to do------------ LOL!
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@Tex1954 Thanks for the extensive report, Nice.
Re:
Have you disabled quotas on the Rockstor pool you are using? That can have a significant impact on a pools performance and IO characteristics, if you can handle the reduced ability to report share usage.
- Btrfs flushes to disk fairly often, We go with whatever the upstream default is.
- We had fledgling support for bcachefs but it’s untested in our v4 “Built on openSUSE” variant. Take a look at: Bcache - developers notes - #5 by phillxnet. We depend on very specific udev rules for the bcachefs devs. Don’t know if there are equivalents no in openSUSE so we would have to overwride these or adapt to them.
- That’s more of a kernel level thing as btrfs uses the regular fs/block level stuff in kernel. Likely doable and non Rockstor specific.
Hope that helps.
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Yes it does, I’m understanding the limitations and they pretty much make sense to me. If I was content with 1Gbs speed, all would be well in all cases. The fact that the system “CAN” do 10Gbs is proven and the only real limitation is disk access times. I did know this would be the case going into this build considering the 32GB DRAM limitation so no surprises there.
I have Leap 15.3 up and running now and playing with it a little while trying to figure out glitches on the NAS when swapping SSD’s.
Okay, setup the new X570 Ryzen9-5950X system with one of the 2 NVME 1TB drives installed and did some more speed testing.
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The 3.88GHz Ryzen9-5950X NVME can read and write easily over 3,000 MB/Sec, far faster than the 10Gbps LAN. It has no problem maintaining a 10Gbps speed.
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RockStor has 2 FAST 512MB SSDs set in Raid-0. Their write speed is proven to be between 950-1020 MB/sec used in this manner. READ speeds are faster at about 1056 MB/sec.
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Max throughput in either direction from 5950X to Rockstor is around 850MB/sec. However, this dips and dives to zero sometimes where I witness the NAS CPU usage skyrocket briefly. Also, this happens even when the NAS 32G memory isn’t fully utilized as cache, but more often when it is fully utilized.
Clearly Rockstor has something that isn’t optimized so far as large and long file transfers are concerned. The Raid-0 SSD setup should be able to handle full speed transfers. This is all with Quota’s disabled.
HOWEVER, I am personally happy with the setup as is for now. These huge transfers are few and far between in real practice.
I think I want to wait for the openSUSE version to release before I play with Rockons and other things, but for now this setup will do…
The only thing still on my mind is that if say the NAS CPU or Motherboard dies, I can’t move the disks to a different Windows system and keep going like I could before.
Still trudging along…
You can look at this transfer picture and see how Rockstor stalls many times on a 250 Gig transfer.
@Tex1954 Hello again.
Just wanted to chip in on this one:
But your could move them to a fresh Rockstor install. Or for that matter read the pools with any modern linux distribution. But a Rockstor install can import them far easier with far less knowledge required.
See: Import BTRFS Pool: https://rockstor.com/docs/interface/storage/disks.html#import-btrfs-pool
And you get the familiar representation. A modern Rockstor can import any prior Rockstor created btrfs volume (Pool in Rockstor speak). And we use vanilla btrfs. Hence the any modern linux install also being able to mount our Pools. Note however that the reverse is not true. We use a specific subset / arrangement of btrfs subvolumes and will ignore subvols that are not in this arrangement. However if a subvol (Share in Rockstor) is created on another linux distro and it is within the existing heierarcy used by Rockstor then it will import identically to any other Rockstor ‘native’ share. It’s just the location/arrangement of them that is important.
We also have the config backup and restore capability:
https://rockstor.com/docs/interface/system/config_backup.html
So if you take care not to use the system pool (which currently has no redundancy capabilities) and in this scenario is ‘lost’ anyway, then you can import a pool into a fresh install and restore you config (assuming you made one and downloaded it) and be pretty much were you were. If you are on a stable subscription version of Rockstor you can also, with immediate effect, transition your subscription to the new systems Appliance ID (it’s taken from the motherboard) via Appman (https://appman.rockstor.com/).
Also, re your performance testing. I’m assuming this was done on a v3 (CentOS) variant. Is that the case? Our v4 should be significantly better performing I’m guessing. Would be interesting to know.
Hope that helps.
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Well, that is good to know. I will try it, a fresh install, import, and see how that goes. SCARY stuff since I don’t have another FULL backup at the moment.
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SMB is always slow on many (small) files, but fast on some big files. That’s not Rockstor specific.
Years ago when i got my first qnap nas the first thing i did was make a filesystem and a couple of files then rip the drives out and try them in a linux machine to see that i could recover the files off if the hardware died. 
always a good idea to test that you can get your data back. Hehe
BOY OH BOY AM I GETTING THERE!!!
Per other post, the upgrade to 4.09 solved so many problems! Everything works as expected now and guess what? I even got “mc” to install (using sudo zypper in mc) and to run (sudo mc) in the RockStor “system shell” and now 100% happy camper!!! Soon as a very few more parts arrive, I will be able to button up the NAS and then post a build report with pictures.
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WOOHOOO! Now I can delete /bin /etc /libs or whatever I want!
LOL!
Not for the feint of heart I dare say…
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